Evaluate the possibility of removing jQuery as a dependency.

[euantorano]

We currently rely on jQuery for some extremely simple tasks (such as selecting elements and hiding/showing content).

We should evaluate whether requiring a large library such as jQuery is really necessary and whether we can trim some fat with either our own code or with lightweight alternatives.

[Stefan-MyBB]

While I agree we should try to avoid large libraries jQueryis a kind of standard and required by a lot of useful Javascript scripts.

Interesting article why Zurb foundation switched from Zepto back to jQuery: http://zurb.com/article/1293/why-we-dropped-zepto

[JN-Jones]

As long as it's only used to eg select elements we possible could drop it. However as soon as we need some kind of library it would be best to use jQuery IMHO

[036]

I disagree with this. As @stefan-st has previously said a lot of useful javascript scripts rely on jQuery.

[JN-Jones]

But if we don't use them internally there's no point including it by default.

[praulins]

Jquery must have.

[Eric-Jackson]

IMO it would be cool if nothing depended on jQuery, even if you include it for ease of use for beginners.

[Stefan-MyBB]

But if we don't use them internally there's no point including it by default.

Correct, however right now most of our 3rd party scripts require jQuery:

mybb2/gulpfile.js

Line 18 in d312ba5

const vendor_scripts = [

[WildcardSearch]

The thing about jQuery is that having integrated into the forum system by default is worth a lot to the admin and devs in terms of potential. Yes, it would be easy for an admin to include jQuery, but speaking as a developer, if I wanted to use some jQuery plugins with one of my MyBB plugins, I'd have to deal with support threads helping people to install jQuery-- or automate its installation and have to deal with support threads helping people to remove one of the two header includes.

jQuery is king right now and will be for a while, it seems. It is a safe bet in my opinion.

[martec]

but editor not will require jquery?
Editors that I know mostly uses jquery as dependency.

[Shade-]

Not all editors are dependent to jQuery: Quill is so far the best Open Source editor I've ever seen and I had started working on a Markdown parser for it, which was the only thing missing and preventing me to launch it as a 1.8 plugin.

However, I am pretty much with @WildcardSearch. Being a developer, it's hard to maintain a package for something which does not have jQuery already in place, and so would be the core code IMHO.

[Eric-Jackson]

There's definitely a better way to approach this than stuffing jQuery in there just because it's easy on devs. Maybe a JS library manager. Either way is assuming an admin customizing templates can't include (Or find a tutorial on how to include) something as popular as jQuery (No technicality here, literally copy + paste) really the right thing to do?

Honestly it would be better if plugin devs could just list jQuery as a dependency of the plugin and it would be installed when the plugin is.