diff --git a/apps/files_sharing/lib/Command/DeleteOrphanShares.php b/apps/files_sharing/lib/Command/DeleteOrphanShares.php
index e15581b4113cf..71c0c137754d8 100644
--- a/apps/files_sharing/lib/Command/DeleteOrphanShares.php
+++ b/apps/files_sharing/lib/Command/DeleteOrphanShares.php
@@ -52,7 +52,11 @@ public function execute(InputInterface $input, OutputInterface $output): int {
 				$exists = $this->orphanHelper->fileExists($share['fileid']);
 				$output->writeln("<info>{$share['target']}</info> owned by <info>{$share['owner']}</info>");
 				if ($exists) {
-					$output->writeln("  file still exists but the share owner lost access to it, run <info>occ info:file {$share['fileid']}</info> for more information about the file");
+					if ($this->orphanHelper->isInTrashbin($share['fileid'])) {
+						$output->writeln("  file is in the trashbin of the share owner, run <info>occ info:file {$share['fileid']}</info> for more information about the file");
+					} else {
+						$output->writeln("  file still exists but the share owner lost access to it, run <info>occ info:file {$share['fileid']}</info> for more information about the file");
+					}
 				} else {
 					$output->writeln('  file no longer exists');
 				}
diff --git a/apps/files_sharing/lib/OrphanHelper.php b/apps/files_sharing/lib/OrphanHelper.php
index ed3a355263544..4b81434aa2866 100644
--- a/apps/files_sharing/lib/OrphanHelper.php
+++ b/apps/files_sharing/lib/OrphanHelper.php
@@ -56,6 +56,15 @@ public function fileExists(int $fileId): bool {
 		return $query->executeQuery()->fetchOne() !== false;
 	}
 
+	public function isInTrashbin(int $fileId): bool {
+		$query = $this->connection->getQueryBuilder();
+		$query->select('path')
+			->from('filecache')
+			->where($query->expr()->eq('fileid', $query->createNamedParameter($fileId, IQueryBuilder::PARAM_INT)));
+		$path = $query->executeQuery()->fetchOne();
+		return $path !== false && str_starts_with($path, 'files_trashbin/');
+	}
+
 	/**
 	 * @return \Traversable<int, array{id: int, owner: string, fileid: int, target: string}>
 	 */
diff --git a/core/Command/Info/FileUtils.php b/core/Command/Info/FileUtils.php
index e106fc7a77aa2..811813483095a 100644
--- a/core/Command/Info/FileUtils.php
+++ b/core/Command/Info/FileUtils.php
@@ -73,13 +73,23 @@ public function getFilesByUser(FileInfo $file): array {
 	 */
 	public function getNode(string $fileInput): ?Node {
 		if (is_numeric($fileInput)) {
-			$mounts = $this->userMountCache->getMountsForFileId((int)$fileInput);
-			if (!$mounts) {
-				return null;
+			$id = (int)$fileInput;
+			$mounts = $this->userMountCache->getMountsForFileId($id);
+			if ($mounts) {
+				$mount = reset($mounts);
+				$userFolder = $this->rootFolder->getUserFolder($mount->getUser()->getUID());
+				$node = $userFolder->getFirstNodeById($id);
+				if ($node) {
+					return $node;
+				}
+				// the file might live outside of the user files folder, e.g. in the trashbin or versions
+				$node = $userFolder->getParent()->getFirstNodeById($id);
+				if ($node) {
+					return $node;
+				}
 			}
-			$mount = reset($mounts);
-			$userFolder = $this->rootFolder->getUserFolder($mount->getUser()->getUID());
-			return $userFolder->getFirstNodeById((int)$fileInput);
+			// the file might not belong to a user at all, e.g. appdata on the root storage
+			return $this->getNodeFromRootMount($id);
 		} else {
 			try {
 				return $this->rootFolder->get($fileInput);
@@ -89,6 +99,23 @@ public function getNode(string $fileInput): ?Node {
 		}
 	}
 
+	/**
+	 * Resolve a file id directly on the root storage, covering files that are
+	 * not part of any user mount such as appdata.
+	 */
+	private function getNodeFromRootMount(int $id): ?Node {
+		$mount = $this->rootFolder->getMount('');
+		$storage = $mount->getStorage();
+		if ($storage === null) {
+			return null;
+		}
+		$cacheEntry = $storage->getCache()->get($id);
+		if ($cacheEntry === false) {
+			return null;
+		}
+		return $this->rootFolder->getNodeFromCacheEntryAndMount($cacheEntry, $mount);
+	}
+
 	public function formatPermissions(string $type, int $permissions): string {
 		if ($permissions == Constants::PERMISSION_ALL || ($type === 'file' && $permissions == (Constants::PERMISSION_ALL - Constants::PERMISSION_CREATE))) {
 			return 'full permissions';